ok, bought a paraglider, what now? :)


Well, I suppose today is as good as any to come out of the freeflight closet...i'm biwingual. And not just because its cool, but because that's who i really am laugh

I took some lessons from Steve Nowak over the summer, but decided to wait until i had my own equipment to continue. Now is a good time. Really looking forward to new adventures and i hope it makes me a better HG pilot also!

I've bought a GIN Bolero 4 size small wing, GIN Verso reversible airbag, and have a reserve for that and everything. Was practicing kiting this afternoon in a park, everything seems functioning quite well! Really enjoy kiting but need more practice :)

Admitting it is the first step to your recovery.


Seriously, it just gives you more options.

Many of us here are biwingual, and the rest are just bi curious ;)


Paragliding is is for those lazy days you just don't need the rush or performance....



With proper training, an appropriate wing, and ideal conditions, it seems a significant degree of risk is mitigated.

Good point though. I'll get right on it. wink

Of crazy dog-walking ladies with Yellow Toyota FJs.

And Clockboy you made a terrible mistake not launching Crestline this weekend wink

Or, at least I didn't see you in the air? Maybe you were at 12k or something...that would figure.




I actually think it’s kind of ok to PG occasionally, especially if nobody is looking.  I don’t condone it, but I get it.  I just don’t think it’s something you should openly admit on a public forum like this.  That’s what I meant by mistake :)  They are super fun though (I've heard).  A good 'friend' of mine does it all the time.

i see the PG as a perfect choice for lighter days, morning or later afternoon flights. The extra maneuvarabilty it affords seems appropriate for exploiting narrower or lighter lift. And holy cow it is FUN to fly a PG! Having the additional control (besides weight-shift) added by the brakes (sorta like having psuedo-ailerons) is awesome and the reclined supine flight position is very relaxed and comfy.

All i need now for my PG harness is a headrest and a nice cup holder. Maybe a lever on the side that reclines it even more and brings out a footrest too.

Anyway, for more general conditions it is nice to have an aluminum or carbon leading edge. I encountered turbulence but had a nice landing on my HG minutes before Paul broke his femur in an unfortunate PG collapse at LZ Saturday afternoon; maybe a case in point. And of course, flying really fast is fun! I totally love getting up good speed on my HGs so i imagine remaining hang dominant for the rest of my flight career. I logged several hours of hang flight in last weekend and not quite 20 minutes of para flight. But its all worth it as i'm sure anyone could understand.


Nate wrote:

"The extra maneuvarabilty it affords .... And holy cow it is FUN to fly a PG! Having the additional control (besides weight-shift) added by the brakes (sorta like having psuedo-ailerons) is awesome and the reclined supine flight position is very relaxed and comfy.

All i need now for my PG harness is a headrest and a nice cup holder. Maybe a lever on the side that reclines it even more and brings out a footrest too."

sounds like you are ready for an Airchair or a sailplane   :)

darn...for a second there it really seemed i had everything i needed already...

where is a good local place for sailplane lessons? thanks

"In the United States, a private glider pilot certificate allows the pilot to fly unpowered gliders, self-launching motor gliders (including touring motor gliders and gliders with retractable engines or propellers), and sustainer motor gliders. An instructor must provide instruction and sign the logbook of the pilot to authorize the launch method, which may be by airplane towing, ground launch (winches, bungee, auto tow), or, in the case of a suitable motor glider, by self-launching"

So...this means with a "private pilot - glider" i could self-launch motorized sailplanes. Welp. That is absolutely going to happen. The requirements are pretty stiff but TRI-wingual here we come...

Anyway. Thanks everyone, good discussion. The answer to the question posed by this thread is: "Get a sailplane".

I am going have to show your reply to my wife, because she won't believe that anyone would think that I am right about something.  Nate, I don't want to pull you away from HG, (maybe from PG), but flying sailplanes as well is a nice option.  You are correct about motor-gliders not requiring a full pilots license, but even more importantly for some is they do not require an FAA medical despite the fact that some motorgliders have better power performance than some general aviation planes.  I used to own an SZD-45 "OGAR" 2 seat motorglider.  I can take you up for a demo ride at Elsinore where we have 2 sailplane clubs operating and can steer you to other locations depending on where you live.  This month is pretty tight for me, but give a call at 951twofourfour0786.  Other fellow CSS members are welcome to call and inquire if you are interested in going up in a sailplane.  I have been thinking of committing one day a week to just do rides, to justify keeping my Grob 103.  I have been spending too much time flying solo in the Pilatus, but really enjoying giving rides to fellow pilots.  See you in the air, Alan

Took Alan up on his offer to fly a Sailplane, seemed like a good weekend to fly Elsinore. Met him at Skylark airport and we were on aero-tow and flying in no time. What an amazing experience! It is absolutely right up there even with my first HG tandem. Getting used to the glide and speed of the sailplane will take some time. But this thing can really get around! Also, in the rougher air, having control surfaces was super nice. Never became fatigued, just completely enjoying the air and the ride.

Thanks again Alan! A sailplane tow at Skylark is a must-do field trip for anyone who enjoys flying...I'm going to be pursuing my Private Pilot - Glider rating now.  The experience and knowledge acquired will probably help me become a better freeflight (HG\PG) pilot as well. Totally awesome.



Nate, I am glad you enjoyed your flight in the club's Schweizer 2-33.  For those unfamiliar with the 2-33 it is a pretty basic, dated, 2 place training glider, but still a joy to fly despite its relatively (for a sailplane) modest performance.  It is great for "boating around" and primary training, and would be the HG equivalent of flying around in a Falcon or tandem glider.  If you follow through with the training it will be great to see your reaction as you progress to nicer performing sailplanes.  I should probably wait till you get some formal instructional flights in the 2-33 before I change your perspective with a ride in the Grob.  I will follow up with you more by E-mail.  Who is up next?

I would love to try this out! my contact is "Joshuajmccoy at gmail"

So, let me see if i get this right...we spend an entire thread discussing the color bright orange and coordinated glove hues...but no responses for an offer to learn the ins and outs of a world-class flying site (Elsinore) while in the highest performing class of unpowered wing. Even if you dislike sailplanes for some preconceived reason, you will get to learn the entire Elsinore ridge in one flight. eg. Where the lift usually is and the low-saves might usually be found and where one might bail out. What not to fly low over, why and when. I'll repeat myself, this is a must-do field-trip for anyone interested in soaring Southern California to the fullest!


You wanna buy my 1-26?  It's got about the performance of a 2-33, but with sportscar handling instead of pickup truck handling.

Tim, what model 1-26 do you have?  Is it in annual, where do you fly it at, and what are you asking for it?  If you want to reply off the forum or if anyone else wants to contact me for a ride in a 2-33 or maybe my Grob 103, my phone # is in the "validation" response above or you can reach me at:   alcoffield    at     hot mail    Dot.com.  (Definitely not hotmale.com).

It's an E model, serial number 545, currently out of annual.  Has a trailer, parachute and a microair radio.

I'd like $7000.

The Lake Elsinore Soaring Club has plenty of trainers available for free rental (monthly dues are $50, typical tow fee is about the same). But i'm looking at the weather and it appears the Crestline season is just starting now, so my focus is likely going to be on HG and PG for the next 5 months. I will try to get some sailplane training in here and there. Couldn't get too much flying in over the winter and certainly wish I had found the sailplane option earlier. 

I think a self launching sailplane would be ideal. Especially something like the Distar Lambada. So cool!



Hi Josh et al., it would probably be best if you simply called Alan at the number above in his message (subject: "Validation") and set up a time. The Lake Elsinore Soaring Club flies Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays, so it would likely be one of those days.


If anyone is interested in going up with me in a sailplane at Elsinore please contact me directly by Email or phone, both of which are listed above.  I don't want to turn a HG forum thread into a scheduling site.  I have gotten 3 or 4 takers since Nate's post about DHG's other thread.  Our sailplane club only operates on Wednesdays and weekends and I may only be available to do one ride during the next two weeks.  I should have more time after May 7th, so feel free to hit me up then, or contact me again if you have not, or don't hear back from me by then.  My only cost to do these rides is the areotow fee which is usually $67 for our normal 3,000 foot tow.  I usually split this cost with my passenger, but if you are a bonafide member of Steve's Po Boys HG club, I can cover the whole tow fee.  A sailplane "sled" ride would still be around 30 minutes long, but this time of year we don't get too many sledders depending on time of day.  When taking other pilots up and if they are game I will usually Plan to stay up for one hour or until they say "uncle".  My longest flight staying local at Elsinore was 8 hours, but don't expect that.  Some of you may have seen me buzzing around and getting into "unusual attitudes" with my Pilatus at Elsinore, but when flying with a passenger, even a hard core Hg or PG pilot, I am much more conservative on how I fly.  I never bothered to get an instructor rating, but I am sure I could provide some good insights into working the Elsinore ridge and about going XC from the E for either HG or PG pilots.  Alan