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  • #22686

    The ability for student pilots and CSS members to utilize the Training Hill for short flights is not a right, it is a privilege given to the club by permission of the landowner, Encore University Hills.  Right now we are at the most significant risk of losing that privilege since the Training Hill was created in 2007.

    It is not the policy of the CSS Board to publicly post about disciplinary actions unless it has serious implications on the entire club.  This is one of those times.  Losing the Training Hill may not be that big of a loss to experienced pilots who no longer utilize it, but it has serious implications to the CSS in the long run.

    Losing the Training Hill takes away a great asset that our club enjoys, which many clubs don’t have, that gives us a great facility to train new pilots.  New pilots means new CSS members and more members ensures the ongoing health of both our club and the Free Flight community.  Even more serious, however, is the risk it poses to the relationship our club has with our neighboring landowner, Encore University Hills.

    #22687

    As many of you already know, Encore University Hills LLC has purchased almost ALL of the land to the east our LZ which includes the Training Hill.  They plan to build over 300 homes right next us… very close.  Danger close.

    The CSS BOD has worked extensively, along with a an appointed committee of veteran CSS pilots, to maintain a professionally courteous relationship with Encore.  We are committed to creating a solution with the developer to build those homes in a way that still allows CSS pilots to maintain a safe approach and traffic separation pattern for landings at AJX.

    This effort will only work if the CSS respects the requests of landowner and works with them in good faith so that Encore responds in kind.  The CSS does not have the financial resources to become combative and/or disrespectful with a Developer that has millions of dollars and a Cadre of Attorneys at their disposal.

    #22688

    Since Encore University Hills purchased all of this land to the east of our LZ (around 2021), we have had their permission to continue using the Training Hill.  There is now a significant chance we could have that permission rescinded due to the actions of one or more CSS members.

    A CSS member, without permission of the landowner or endorsement of the CSS BOD, has been storing personal vehicles, tools, equipment, supplies and other materials at the top of the Training Hill.  This stash of personal affects and equipment was placed there over a period of about the last two years.  An Encore University Hills Site Manager notified the responsible individuals personally, face to face, over a month ago.  Encore followed up with an email to the CSS BOD that was forwarded to those responsible individuals.  In early July, a letter was sent to the CSS Board by Encore Attorneys, notifying the club and the responsible individuals to remove their vehicles and other items from Encore property no later than August 1st.  That deadline has come and gone, no effort has been put forth by the responsible parties to honor the landowner’s requests.

    #22689

    One of the responsible parties, who is a CSS member, has received a notification of 30 day suspension from the the CSS.  If they do not comply with the landowner’s requests there will be further consequences that may include a longer term CSS suspension and the possibility of USHPA credentials being revoked.

    It’s very sad that any of this has to happen at all.  This is basic stuff.  One of the core principals of what we stand for as pilots is to respect the property rights of landowners.  If we fail in that arena, if we trample all over the rights of parties, we will lose launches, we will lose LZ’s, we could lose our site all together.  In this case, if the situation devolves further, we could potentially lose our access to the Training Hill.  What do you think that will mean for our landing approaches?  There is a lot more at risk here than just the bunny hill where we train new pilots.

    #22690

    I’m putting this thread on the forum for transparency, for respectful discussion, but mostly to let you all know how serious this is.  A small, but loud, minority of pilots have a tendency to rant about the BOD, about USHPA, CALFIRE, SB National Forest, well just about every authority, agency, or organization that governs our sport or our public lands.  I don’t know exactly what it will take to get these folks to understand that we are nation of laws, and the majority of us have no problem functioning just fine within the bounds of reasonable jurisprudence.  I think that we, as in the majority of CSS pilots who conduct ourselves with midfullness as fully formed adults, have to reinforce our values as responsible pilots and stewards of the land we are privileged to use for our sport.  We have to make sure that everyone understands that these types of behaviors that put our club and facilities at risk should not, and will not, be tolerated.

    – CSS President-

    #22691

    Thank you for sharing Luke, and to those involved in efforts to perpetuate the features of our flying site.

    #22736
    Lyle Anderson
    General Member

    Thank you Luke for staying on top of this. Previous BODs have worked with Previous owners of the property to the East of the LZ. You are right. THEY have lots of lawyers and deep pockets to fund those lawyers. The best the club can do is be respectful to them and maybe get them to make the area adjacent to our LZ one of the green spaces they are required by law to build into the plan for the development to come. Hopefully they will recognize the potential that having a world class flying site next to their property could be. Maybe offer their representative a tandem ride so they could see for themselves what an asset CSS could be. This was done in the past and had very positive results. but, alas, that company sold the land to another company and…You already know the story far better than I do. So, just keep up the good work that you and the present BOD are doing and hope for the best.

    #22797
    John Wright
    General Member

    Thank you, Luke.

    I am going to be out on 9/18 to utilize the hill to get ten years of rust off and try a new (6 years old but never used) harness.

    Please let me know if the hill is closed by replying as such to this thread.

    #22798

    John,

    The Club still has permission to use the training hill for the time being.  The situation is mostly resolved at this point, the majority of the mess has been cleaned up.  Thanks for reminding me, I need to check in with the land owner, but we are ok for now.

    Cheers,

    Luke

    #22799
    John Wright
    General Member

    Thank you, Luke, for the information and the efforts, I’m glad my planned return from exile did not jinx it.

    #22800

    Numb nuts returns! Good on ya brother!

    #22801
    Mark Hoffmann
    General Member

    John.. i might drive out and join you… the training hill is fun.. Remember the Glacier Point trip !!!

    #22901

    I’m sorry to have to report this, but this situation is NOT resolved.  Here is an update;

    To start with the good news, the CSS member that was storing personal equipment and other stuff on the hill has removed it (most of it anyway).  That part of this situation has cooled down.

    The other issue on the Training Hill is the Squatter that has been residing there for some time.  Unfortunately the CSS has received a letter, as a follow up the original notice of Trespass from July, that essentially holds the Club responsible for enabling the Squatter to continue illegal activity by allowing him access to our property as a non-member, which in turn he uses to illegally access  Encore Property, and also allowing him to use CSS resources to sustain his lifestyle.

    Unfortunately for us, the Property Owner is not wrong, and we would lose if this became a legal matter.  It’s pretty clear cut, we can’t defend this situation.

    This issue goes much deeper than just the Training Hill and the total history is more than just the recent few years since Encore purchased the land to the east of our LZ.  I will likely start a new thread on this as an independent matter for comment and discussion, as well as share the letter we received so that everyone understands the gravity of the situation.

    #22949

    I don’t know why names are withheld on these posts. Call out the responsible people. Relocate the squatter. We should be doing everything possible to court the developers. I feel for Steve but if he is on land he shouldn’t be he must relocate. No ifs or buts

    #22960

    David said :

    … I feel for Steve but if he is on land he shouldn’t be he must relocate. No ifs or buts

    This situation , “IS” the reason that I did not rejoin CSS . Some of you may not realize that if the landowner decided to file a lawsuit … (this is important) ; that landowner could go after each and every member of CSS, instead of just the club as a whole. How do I know this (?) ; it happened to my brother  !

    Bille

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