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November 15, 2024 at 7:29 PM in reply to: Can Gene & Nicole Use AJX LZ Now That It Is Nov. 1, 2024? #21322
Well Artie,
I seem to recall that you attended the Club meeting where this situation was discussed and I really don’t remember you saying anything at all, but if you did it certainly wasn’t anything close to what you just said. If you want to cite ‘Spiteful’ and ‘Hardline’ why don’t reference the thread where the videos were posted of verbal threats and assaults? That’s the kind of behavior we had to deal with, not you. You’re still new to the club, so be careful about taking sides on issues when you have no real frame of reference to the sum of the events.
There is just a little over 30 days remaining in the suspension period, so take a chill pill and think about how you would feel if someone verbally assaulted your mother or sister… maybe then you’ll recognize why we had to take the steps we did.
Mid NOV Update:
I’ve been checking in on the status of the Line Fire and NFS Closure Order every few days. I had anticipated a modification of the closure map around the 1st of November but that didn’t happen.
I checked in with NFS Administrators and there appears to be no talk or known effort to modify the closure map before the current order expiration date of 30 NOV. With that date only just over 2 weeks away it appears that the SB NFS Supervisor intends to go the full span of the closure period.
We can still fly, and many people have been flying the past few weeks west of the 18 with few incidents (a visiting pilot violated the closure order and claimed ignorance), and pilots are having great flights despite the closure and limits to normal routes. I do appreciate the cooperation and supportive nature of CSS Club Members.
November 7, 2024 at 8:54 PM in reply to: Can Gene & Nicole Use AJX LZ Now That It Is Nov. 1, 2024? #21254John,
A. Yes, the deal got altered! The ban was extended by a year because the terms of the 30 day ban were violated. Warnings were given and they were ignored, the BOD was very clear and specific about consequences.
B. We didn’t publish the letters that were given to the Offenders, the email sent to membership was an explanation of the circumstances and the membership is entitled to that (especially to the victims of the negative behaviors). There were many letters that came before the One-Year Ban. Everything was put in writing for a reason.
So no, we don’t have to pick A or B.
The NFS Ranger told me the gliders are still there at the location pinned above. He hasn’t confirmed yet but I offered to help get them removed, I’ll see what he says.
Does anyone know if Steve Corbin has any next of kin that we could notify? I doubt they would want those gliders back, but it doesn’t hurt to ask first. Otherwise, the CSS would be doing a kind act of community service by helping clean up the mess. We’d probably just have to trash the sails but I know Tom is looking for airframe tubing for his GOAT project.
Anyone want to take the lead on this?
The creepy head/mask on this glider is what I was calling Witchcraft. Crazy Halloween party?
This is the location that they were found:
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Mario, its more about logistics… where to pick one up and where to be able to drop it off before flying home.
Eric, you got contact info for this guy? This weekend might still be blowing down.
November 1, 2024 at 7:19 PM in reply to: Can Gene & Nicole Use AJX LZ Now That It Is Nov. 1, 2024? #21224Dan,
The letter was addressed to Gene, it wasn’t addressed to the entire club so its not a club issue. I would think you’d be one of the first people to stand up for someone else’s right to privacy. The circumstances for the disciplinary action were a club issue, they were discussed ad nauseam, and there was Club Meeting that addressed the ban which you did not attend.
Also, I’m pretty sure you don’t understand what ‘Pleading the 5th’ actually means or you’d understand that it does not apply here.
November 1, 2024 at 1:43 PM in reply to: Can Gene & Nicole Use AJX LZ Now That It Is Nov. 1, 2024? #21221Sorry, No. The date is in December but we aren’t going to get into that on the forum.
From the beginning the BOD has tried to maintain privacy for everyone involved. The letters that were provided to the parties involved contained the inclusive dates.
Disciplinary actions by the BOD have been very rare in the club’s history, but every member has the right to a reasonable degree of privacy in the administration of these incidents. So that is why the letters to the parties involved were not made public and also why we are not discussing details on forum posts. For anyone that is curious or has a need to know, please email the CSS BOD directley.
I’m going to ask the Website Administrator to delete this thread.
October 23, 2024 at 1:42 PM in reply to: Friendly reminder: TFR still in effect for Line Fire #21173Mario,
The Bridge Fire is also basically out, 99% contained as of 21 OCT. The closure maps are a little more tricky because most of the Bridge Fire occurred in Los Angeles County and only partially in San Bernardino County. The original SB National Forest closure map went across the 15 and past Mt Baldy (the SB/LA County border). Right now I can’t find any current closure map related to the Bridge Fire.
In any case, the reason we are respecting the NFS closure order is due to the risk of pilots landing out within the current closure area by flying to the east, worst case having an incident that requires rescue. Its not an airspace issue, its preventing the possibility that first responder resources being directed at a rescue within the closure area, and that would put a very negative light on our activity. This would be the same for Mountain Bikers, Hikers, Climbers, UTV Drivers, anyone… and there is a pretty hefty personal fine involved too. We aren’t going to put the Club’s positive relationship with the NFS at risk (or CALFIRE, SBPD, Sheriff)
** Jerome, thanks for the update and links. All of this data is current and valid. **
The NFS closure is still in effect and remains unchanged. We will continue to respect that closure and not fly east of HWY 18.
This was not a decision of any individuals, and it is presented as an order because it IS an ORDER from a federal agency. If anyone is doubtful about that they can review the document again: (the word ORDER is right in the title) https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd1208071.pdf
The CSS BOD did not impose a restriction, the NFS Order did that. Our launches are on NFS land and we will respect that organization’s efforts to handle forest fire management. If you disagree with NFS orders then you are free to contact that agency and voice your concerns. If you disagree with the disparity between posted FAA TFRs and NFS closure maps you are also free to voice your concerns with those agencies respectively. If you feel your rights to go fly and have fun have been violated during a time of emergency, go hire an attorney and file a suit against the NFS and the FAA (good luck with that).
Meanwhile, CSS members are still able to utilize launches, fly (with minor limitations), and train at the AJX LZ… all while respecting the agencies that are trying to protect our natural resources, private property, and human lives.
As soon as the NFS modifies the closure map or rescinds the order we will update the membership. I actually expect this to happen toward the end of the month.
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