May 21, 2021 at 1:00 AM #12571
@dave-biddle, appreciate your help!
Will contact you directly, thank you!May 21, 2021 at 8:20 AM #12575
I don’t live in socal anymore and didn’t see the damage to the shade structure in person. If this were my project I would if rebuilt the old shade structure but would have built it to resist uplift….3 guys with tools and lumber.
I built all sorts of stuff over 35 years and all this seem excessive. I will enjoy whatever gets built when ever I visit CaliMay 21, 2021 at 8:27 PM #12587
Your club, your decision, your structure,
I wish you all the best!
If I only may show you this from your neighborly Sylmar club, for inspirational thoughts;May 21, 2021 at 8:34 PM #12588
And here is a link to the discussion regarding Sylmar.May 24, 2021 at 12:30 PM #12649
I like the version at Sylmar shown on the previous post. http://shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=645&sid=cf4defda63c70c3ca14cefc42cd6c7fc
It has some architectural beauty along with function.May 24, 2021 at 12:34 PM #12650Wesley ParmeterGeneral Member
I’ll be happy to help in construction of any new shade. I have a mid sized tractor but no trailer to move it. All I need is a two axle car or utility trailer. Tractor weight is about the same as a car. I’m an hour away in Palmdale.May 24, 2021 at 1:18 PM #12651
I attempted this comment before, but I’ll try to be more clear.
This poll seems to be trying to pick a single solution when we haven’t even settled on a general type of design. The results are likely to be very unclear to everyone involved. We have 3 general types of design (maybe 4 with the post above regarding Sylmar):
1) Open metal structure (4 variations)
2) Swooping structure with more enclosed space (2 variations)
3) Structure with a deck
How will anyone be able interpret the results? Getting bound up in color, slope of roof, or even the specifics of which tasks we can find expertise within our ranks, all seem very pre-mature until we have a chosen a general design.
My 2 cents…May 24, 2021 at 1:21 PM #12652
I really like the idea of an observation deck. But I just love all decks, and spending what some would consider is more than necessary.
That being said, I have $1k toward the deck option if it materializes.
Blue Skies and Big Lift y’all,
Jeremy HerzogMay 24, 2021 at 1:32 PM #12655Navjot SinghGeneral Member
Option 1 – structure looks reliable and customizable in future. Modular construction is the way to go.May 24, 2021 at 1:44 PM #12657
My 1k offer stands even if it’s to a future deck “module”. ;-)May 24, 2021 at 5:24 PM #12662
as mentioned, Option-7 is open for reconsiderations like size and even those items you mentioned, it is a modular system, and can be very easily adjusted to our final needs.
I hope/agree that this is a general decison first and hope we all get a chance to revisit some details once it is chosen.
I just wanted to address Jai Pal’s concern and clear up some of the missunderstandings, misstatements and ambiguity of the steel structures in regards to costs, and that it is doable with the amazing manpower we have.
We were considering an observation platform, something like a cascaded roof, but given the scorching heat in summer, nobody would sit on such platforms, on top of all the heat coming up from below.
I myself was shocked at how expensive this all is, but this is due to the tariff wars and Covid, any such structure is now at least 2-3 times as expensive than just a few years ago.
Thanks for your inputs, please keep them coming.May 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM #12663
@wesley-parmeter, thank you for your offer, we might need another tractor, will contact you directly, thank you!May 24, 2021 at 6:47 PM #12664
Nothing in particular towards Option 7 or suggesting modifications. It just seems unlikely that this current poll can yield much in terms of moving the process forward. With votes for an open metal building scattered across 4 alternatives, and votes for the swooping, more enclosed structure split 2 ways, hard to see how there will be much clarity in the results.
Of course I could be entirely wrong and there is overwhelming support for 1 option. Perhaps there is a plan (that I missed) to whittle down the alternatives (maybe a re-vote on the top 2 or 3 options).
Suggestions and offers of donations and assistance are coming in, so we are doing something worthwhile.May 25, 2021 at 3:24 PM #12678
It’s always easy to second guess what went on.
But considering that our vice president is an architect (and proposer of several of the options) himself, you and many and me wondered about the way this board went ahead.
Like with most here, I was impressed and loved the “Starbucks” options 3&4, I was going to vote for them right away.
Then I learned that:
1) the Starbucks designs were initially proposed for over $230,000.
2) that price was cut down by 3/4 to $57,000 (amazing achievement, right?)
3) the proposed lined up donor(s) of $100,000(s) were laughing at that idea and some are actually doing fundraisers for their own projects.
4) there will be no windows nor doors (yet to this day same nice rendering is shown to us).
5) the Starbucks options 4 and probably 3 would be started with cement walls and columns with “only” $19k.
6) *Before* the *whole* sum is secured by donations in cash.
7) the “remaining” phases would be finished upon funding.
8) the board did not put a time limit for said funding.
So if the Starbucks designs are selected, we could end up sitting between some cement ruins, walls and (dangerous?) cement columns, and be held hostage until the “funds” come in.
All those insights made Mitch & us come up with a viable, no wishful-thinking rendering, honest and all laid out design, with the help of actual architects and structural engineers.
I’m just trying to salvage what can be done.
JimmyMay 25, 2021 at 8:56 PM #12683
My thoughts were less suspicious. We fortunately have an actual architect to bring us options. In fact the work already donated would probably cost somewhere in the high 4 or low 5-figures to get us the options, renderings, and pricing if we had to go contract for it. If he brings us a design with a $57K price tag I have every confidence it can be built for that (well, other than the generally crazy price increases we are seeing in building materials, but that impacts all options).
My concern was that the structure of the current vote/poll seems unlikely to lead to a meaningful result. Hopefully I’m proven incorrect in that assessment.
We have a LOT of work to do to get a new structure. Let’s get the oars moving in one direction and appreciate the contributions, thoughts, ideas, offers to volunteer and donations from all the members of our team.
Good luck to us all,
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