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David Webb General MemberI’m jealous!
David Webb General MemberSorry – I just don’t see what dragging it out accomplishes? I want everyone to be included and participate, and I take the censorship thing very seriously, but 3 strikes for posting in a forum is more than enough. This isn’t a case of someone blurting something out and then regrettting saying the moment after. There is ample opportunity between getting mentally fired up, typing out a reply, and clicking “Submit” to exercise a little self control. I think the fact that this is the first instance since the new website went live that anyone has even considered banning a person from the forum is testament to just how open it is. I’ve only heard of one other instance on the old site where this was necessary and I’ve yet to see any posts from any other participants (no matter how much I might disagree with them) that made me think “ban this person.”
David Webb General MemberI still advocate the 3 strikes rule, and think it’s a good compromise. There is definitely a difference between “colorful language” and repeatedly dragging down the rest of the forum with insults and threats. There has to be a limit and if a warning followed by a 30 day suspension aren’t reaching that individual, then it’s likely that they have no intention of changing their ways. This forum has got to be welcoming and usable by as many in the community as possible.
David Webb General MemberBump on this thread – results shown in the main post above.
David Webb General MemberIt was proposed that we add to the guidelines above a 3 strikes rule:
- First offense is a warning (and depending on the severity, may result in the post being removed)
- Second offense results in a 30 day forum ban
- Third strike – permanent ban
What does everyone think of that?
David Webb General MemberAgree completely. I think reducing conflicts of interest would be best for all involved (businesses, members, students, and visitors).
February 2, 2021 at 3:26 PM in reply to: Incident Report: PG vs Bushes Below Marshall Peak Launch, January 21, 2021 #11201David Webb General MemberUpdate: if it’s the word “crash” that’s causing tempers to flare, I changed the title. A peace offering to the flight gods in hopes that cooler heads may prevail.
February 2, 2021 at 2:39 PM in reply to: Incident Report: PG vs Bushes Below Marshall Peak Launch, January 21, 2021 #11200David Webb General MemberSorry you feel that way. I apologize to anyone who feels like they’re getting bashed or targeted. I made a pitiful attempt this year to improve the club’s safety record and image in the flying community (and with USHPA), so hopefully it’s nothing but blue skies after Friday with the new guy.
Again, I’d encourage anyone to send along relevant facts to safety@crestlinesoaring.org and they will be incorporated into the report.
Safe flying.
February 2, 2021 at 2:11 PM in reply to: Incident Report: PG vs Bushes Below Marshall Peak Launch, January 21, 2021 #11198David Webb General MemberI don’t know what that will accomplish now? I’d prefer any changes/modifications/requests to include in the report in writing – email or a reply on the forum is perfectly fine.
As I said before – on Friday, this is going to be the next safety director’s purview. If that person would like to amend, change, discount, or void out the report that I’ve put forth, they are welcome to do that. Otherwise, I’m open to any new facts that folks in-the-know have and want to include.
February 2, 2021 at 12:56 PM in reply to: Incident Report: PG vs Bushes Below Marshall Peak Launch, January 21, 2021 #11196David Webb General MemberMy attempts to reach them have mostly failed (for my entire year in this position). Not sure if my emails are getting lost on the internet or simply being ignored. That instructor (and anyone else that has relevant information) is welcome and encouraged to reach out to safety@crestlinesoaring.org. Open door here.
I received information directly from the pilot and from others who have spoken to the instructor. Have also spoken to USHPA and RRRG who have done their own interviews. Hopefully that is sufficient? Also, I don’t have any conflicting business interests with any of the instructors – I’m not in the instruction or flight business, and if I’m lucky, get to fly maybe once a week or every other week. I’m not exactly out getting beers with anyone at the club either – I live in San Diego and come up to fly before jumping back in the car for a long drive home.
February 2, 2021 at 12:17 PM in reply to: Incident Report: PG vs Bushes Below Marshall Peak Launch, January 21, 2021 #11190David Webb General MemberNot looking to start conflicts here or bash anyone. My observation (from the air) was that there was quite a bit of time for an instructor/observer to tell the pilot to turn away from terrain, if that person was observing the pilot. Minor nitpick about the club membership or ushpa rating, but the club does require membership to fly here (that includes students). Since there was another similar incident with a student of the same instructor (this one was definitely unsupervised and also had no ushpa rating or club membership and they launched from Crestline which is a P3 launch), I thought those facts were with mentioning. I have no beefs with any of our instructors, but in these last couple of cases, I think we as a club can do better.
David Webb General MemberBump on this topic from last year – Stephen’s article “Don’t Let it Be You,” to review and absorb as we again look forward to the seasons changing.
Full text is here on this site, or you can check out the original on Stephen’s site.
David Webb General MemberUpdate: as a result of member request from several of you, and a board member vote, the frequent flier offender has been banned on this forum, and their posts removed. Hopefully the first and last time I’ll have to do that. I hope we can get back to harmless casual swearing (in moderation!) and humble brags about how cold it was at 8k.
Happy foruming.
David Webb General MemberUpdated (in the original comment).
Might be board/safety director perogative, but the incident report item might be better addressed separately? Not sure how everyone stands on incident reports, but my hope with how they have been dealt with over the past year (post them in the forum, no names, etc) is that more pilots will report incidents and that as we become more dialed into those as a collective, that that awareness can help us all prevent future incidents. Not looking to embarrass anyone, but taking an honest look at why these things happen can benefit all of us (maybe keep all of our egos in check a bit).
David Webb General MemberProposed forum guidelines – weigh in with edits, as you see fit:
In order to maintain a safe and open forum for all pilots to participate in, the following guidelines must be followed by all forum members:
- Absolutely no threats of any kind – physical or otherwise.
- Absolutely no hate speech.
- No trolling, insults, or belittling your fellow participants.
Participants in violation of the above may have the offending post removed and receive a written warning, or be suspended/banned from forum participation altogether, depending on the frequency or severity of the infraction.
That doesn’t seem like a lot to digest or that it’s heavy-handed to me, but anyone can feel free to make suggestions. As was said before – this is simple stuff that would get you banned anywhere else, so I don’t see how we’re the exception. I’m not looking to review and moderate every single post, so if we all agree to the above, anyone can feel free to either mention it in the forum or email info@crestlinesoaring.org to report it. If there are major objections to this path and y’all want someone else to run the site, also speak up – it belongs to the club and I’m not going to stand in anyone’s way.
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