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May 11, 2020 at 5:13 AM #8384
@ Mitch
It’s May 11, 2020
According to http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ; there have
bin 80,787 people die , in the USA, from corona-19 , since Feb. Those
deaths , happened while most of the USA was in Lock-Down.
I’m curious what you think that number of dead would be ; if there
had Not bin a lock-Down ?
Bille Floyd
May 11, 2020 at 9:46 AM #8388OK so I did follow the law… and do follow many laws. It seemed sensible to take some precautions after watching what was happening in Italy, and then New York. And then to see the “incidents” at CSS… Well, the sight in Montana where I learned to fly is right above a town and depends upon permissions from the forest service, a university, and the town to stay open. Had to follow rules or couldn’t use the road. Maybe that’s not applicable to AJ…
A few people I really care about are susceptible to Covid. At this point it seems to be more dangerous than the flu. They are not sitting in a nursing home with dementia, they are awesome, and our collective actions may buy them some time? Maybe the cure is worse than the disease? Personally I thought it was kinda nice to have cleaner air for a week or so… Maybe it’s all bullshit, maybe the Rwandan Genocide never happened, smell ya later Mitch.
Now I remember why I quit facebook and stopped posting to forums.
May 11, 2020 at 6:45 PM #8401@ Mitch.
Your a really smart guy , and i,ve respected Ya for a many of years ; hoping
this little disagreement, doesn’t affect our friendship ?
Bottom line for me :
I’m 67 , and ain’t got a spleen ; if i catch this bug, my Odds of living
aren’t looking so good , (based on death-rate , by age, due to corona, in NY).
Bille
May 12, 2020 at 2:11 PM #8412
Jerome Daoust General MemberThanks for sharing that video presentation Mitch. Their message is balanced: Shelter-in-place and distancing was appropriate (link to statement) to flatten hospital resources demand, has served its purpose, and now time to resume activities/work and accept related risk while still protecting those most at risk.
Who can disagree with “moving now towards a Swedish model“?
May 13, 2020 at 9:16 PM #8427What Mitch has reported is true. If one reads the reports carefully and peels away verbiage to get to the politically disallowed words, the two overwhelming risk factors are age over 85 and obesity. My (reasonably healthy) father, 89 years old, has no concern. He is following the 6 foot spacing directive, but otherwise no changes to his life. Thankfully, fortunately, our HG/PG community avoids the risk factors in that we are reasonably fit and health conscious. I am flying commercial flights as my job. The Walmart workers are showing up for work every day. If the virus were so deadly there would be no Walmart or Home Depot workers left as they would have all succumbed since they have been allowed to go to work from the beginning, and I and my coworkers as well.
Who made the decision that Walmart workers are safe but Steve’s and Mike’s “Made In America” shop workers must not be allowed to leave home?? (Rhetorical)
May 13, 2020 at 11:14 PM #8431
Robert-Roy Stewart General MemberI don’t think the CSS webisite is the forum to be having this sort of debate, this is a club for free flying, There are alot of other forums to debate which side of the argument you are on. I looked at this form to get data on whether there were restrictions on flying, and not sift through a few people’s opinions on the merits of government’s response to the Covid 19 pandemic, to find the information I am looking for. Maybe you guys can take this debate offline to another form!! (I want to get away from all the politics of Covid 19 by going hang gliding, and not continue to be immersed in it). Thank you for listening & your consideration.
May 15, 2020 at 5:02 AM #8443@ Mitch :
You put up a really good argument !
The people who “Should” be in quarantine, are the old ones with problems,
like me, (no spleen) ; they never should have locked down the entire country.
And i can see why the corona death rate was way over inflated ; now that
you pointed it out to me .
I’m still gonna do everything possible , to not catch this bug ; mostly because
the 2017-18 flue that took out 79,400 people in the USA , (it almost took me out)
and that was ((with)) the flu vaccine. I got no defense , for corona ; so best i do not
play with it , if possible.
Bill Floyd
May 19, 2020 at 6:36 PM #8515Jerome Daoust General MemberUSHPA posted today these updated guidelines and recommendations. <– Click the link
May 20, 2020 at 5:49 AM #8520This one hit HOME ; for me :
USHPA suggestion : “If you’re planning to begin flying again after an
extended time away, keep in mind the spring/early summer conditions
and your current skill level. Take the time to safely work back up to
challenging conditions and ambitious flights”.
And also — i realize that this lock-down affected a lot of people in
a very negative way ; but , because of my compromised immune condition
due to not having a spleen , (it also improved the odds of , “MY” living
through this , by a bunch) !!
SO
I appreciate the inconvenience , to all affected !!
Last Saturday , Las Vegas started to open Up ; we will see in
about 10 more days from now, if the average infected rate ,
changes for the (+ or -). Right now it’s about 100 new infected
cases, each day ; and that is with the Lock-Down.
Bille
May 22, 2020 at 12:02 PM #8576Hey Guys,
Brand new here – first post. I’m one of those guys who’s been away from the sport for a while, wanting to come back to it. I flew Crestline once 15 years ago. Having since moved, it is actually much more convenient for me now.
So who’s flying? Surely we can get rides up the hill while maintaining common sense hygiene and social distancing, like riding in the bed of a pickup for example, or one person per row seating.
I sympathize with the Libertarian position politically, but I’m not interested in debating it. Ultimately, we have as much freedom as we’re willing to defend for ourselves and those willing to fight alongside.
I don’t have a spleen either, but I’m otherwise a healthy 56 year old. I don’t fear this virus, and I’m not close to anyone who’s at risk. I can keep 6 ft social distance and wear a mask in the vehicle if the driver wishes.
How far is the nearest launch point from the LZ? I have a bike I can leave at the LZ…
I ask again, who’s flying? Anyone willing to show me the ropes at Crestline?
May 22, 2020 at 12:25 PM #8577
David Webb General MemberWelcome back to flying, Luke!
Pretty rare that there’s a flyable day and no locals at AJX to give you a good site intro. Keep watching the weather page to look for a light SW late afternoon or early morning for smoother conditions.
The closest launch to the LZ is the 750 – it takes me with a full size paraglider and harness about 30 minutes to hike up (and I’m not in super-super shape). Check out the site briefing for the 750 here – there’s also a video on that page that shows you exactly how to hike up to it so you don’t get lost in the bushes (under “hike and fly”).
Also, make sure to read the site guidelines and pick a membership before coming out.
Safe flying.
May 22, 2020 at 3:17 PM #8579@ Luke Wernle’. You said :
“I don’t have a spleen either, but I’m otherwise a healthy 56 year old.
I don’t fear this virus, … ”
OK —- Reality check :
If you don’t have a spleen , and you catch this bug ; you ,”Are” fricken
screwed ; and you Better take it serious !!!
Bille
May 24, 2020 at 4:03 PM #8596Jerome Daoust General MemberStill wondering what to do? (not too serious)
Instead of trying to make sense of the conflicting advice from politicians, medical experts, civil right defenders, corporations, or struggling families…
Simplify and just ask yourself: What would Chrigel do?
May 24, 2020 at 8:32 PM #8601Oh, very funny Jerome.
Without being able to read and understand german writing.
From the signage posted, I think I understand the just of it.
If you don’t shake hands with your fellow pilots, and maintain a flying distance of 2 meters, and wash your hands before flying your PG, you should be safe?
Oh yah, if you’re feeling sick, stay home and seek medical help. You may have the dreaded mohockness?
Fly Safe?
May 25, 2020 at 6:25 AM #8609OK you guys :
I’m optimistic enough about this bug being brought under control ; i
plan to rejoin the USHPA next month , and come fly with you-All
this summer.
SO
if you see a white haired legless dude ; no need to run away in fear
because i usually have Beer !!
Bille
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