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  • #16156
    Jerome Daoust
    General Member

    We learn here from Marcello:

    “We as a club no longer have the USHPA insurance.”

     

    I’m surprised that club members were not involved in deciding this change. It’s OK to explore options, but finalizing is different. CSS leadership often changes, but consequences can be passed on to their replacement and members.

    Since the club needs to provide insurance to the DWR (Department of Water Resources) for our LZ, who is the new insurance provider, and can we count on them for 10+ years?

    Does the club still require instructors to be part of a PASA school, or require them to hold PL (Professional Liability) insurance (RRRG or other)? Related info… Since May 1st 2022, USHPA instructors (Rogallo members) who operate commercially outside of a PASA school, are no longer covered under USHPA’s PL policy, see their FAQ page (must log in).

    Can any instructor (with USHPA rating), now teach (for money) beginning students at the site? Visiting instructors with their P1/P2 students on a road trip welcome?

    Extra info I found (source)… The club is no longer an USHPA Chapter, as of June 2021. Chapter level coverage is free for a Chapter for doing the Risk Management work filling. Chapter webinars are available to USHPA members. But CSS canceled their RRRG insurance and USHPA Chapter’s conditional renewal status mid-year 2021 due to not wanting to implement Risk Management corrective actions. One of which was reinstating Local level Accident Reporting and risk mitigation actions. As a result, the CSS (as a Chapter) and landowners at CSS Site Locations do not have USHPA/RRRG insurance as Additional Insured.

     

     

    #16214
    Jerome Daoust
    General Member

    After some questioning (ref), thanks to David who obtained a confirmation (ref) from USHPA, that the club is no longer a Chapter, yet offers the ability to renew…

    CSS did not renew their chapter status on the last cycle. Depending on the direction the chapter pursues moving forward, we would be willing to consider their chapter renewal if they applied.

     

    #16225
    Jana Pivkova
    General Member

    I’m curious what the benefits of being a USHPA chapter are. I tried having a quick look on their website, but I didn’t see anything that jumped out at me (other than land owner  insurance, which we currently have via a different provider)Becoming a USHPA Chapter

    If any of you find something you think we could benefit from at AJX by renewing our USHPA Chapter status, please share it here. Their map still has us listed as one of their Chapters, but it hasn’t been updated since 2020.

    #16229
    Jerome Daoust
    General Member

    Quote from USHPA website:

    Chapters are member-controlled organizations approved by the USHPA. They are autonomous, self-governing, financially independent groups of flying enthusiasts, affiliated with the USHPA, who want to share their flying experiences with others.

    Update: There is a one-way relationship… A club needs to be a Chapter to get USHPA insurance (for landowners). But a club doesn’t need USHPA insurance to be a Chapter.

    Main topic here is: What are the implications of using the current site insurance, compared to one provided by USHPA?

    I believe the name of the current site insurance provider was stated by Stan at the end of the 2022/7/16 board meeting. Can the current site insurance policy be posted here for review? It could be an added document under this club website. At the least, it could be good for falling asleep.

    #16231
    Jana Pivkova
    General Member

    If it helps any, I do remember that the new insurance policy was given to the land owner to review and they had to approve it before the switch happened. As far as I know, their terms were satisfied.

    #16245

    Not true Jerome

    #16246

    Insurance Certificate is not something we plan to post.

    #16247

    Correct Jana. Confirmed at the Board Meeting last Saturday by President Stan

    #16248

    CSS USHPA dues were paid in March 2021, which took us up through 2022 the renewal date. USHPA never sent the renewal invoice for 2022-2023, although it was requested.

    #16253
    Jerome Daoust
    General Member

    Thanks for participating Jai Pal, providing extra info (ref) related to being a Chapter or not, and stating (ref) the new insurance name: CGL insurance. Hopefully, we achieve clarity about the club currently being a Chapter or not (taken to a separate discussion), but of greater interest is:

    • Hopefully this insurance company can be a long-term provider. A lesser issue if there are many to choose from.
    • Listing the pros/cons of having selected this insurance provider over the previous, mostly in terms of instruction at the site (likely the driver for the change). I suspect regular pilot members are mostly unaffected. It may be a good decision, but it is best to also provide visibility during a change to club members.
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