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    Marc Deschenes
    General Member

    Lawn Darts!
    Time for Mario to drag out his brother’s old glider.



    That looks like it wants to stab me in a dark alley 🙂

    George Stebbins
    General Member

    OK.  That picture/caption is funny!!!

    James Hall
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    The Marshall webcam seems to show at least someone who doesn’t give a shit about being a decent citizen. 1500 local. I hope they hiked in at least.


    Lame-o alert.


    The ” regional forester” lacks the legitimate authority to decree and enforce any closure of public land.  Nor does he have even a name in the media at this point.  Let’s give him a name, and determine whether   the closure is legal, and justified before licking boots.  MMMK?

    Randy Moore is the “Pacific Southwest Regional Forester” and self proclaimed environmentalist responsible for the closure, and idiotic policies aligned with the anthropogenic CO2 emission global warming hoax.  This asshole is a propaganda parrot, and has no authority to impose a closure of public land and no authority to use USFS personal as law enforcement, for a law that doesn’t exist.

    He’s merely a self proclaimed voodoo high priest of an illegitimate cult of authority.


    ” climate change” is the dog whistle for useful idiots like mr. Moore who can’t keep their lying propaganda campaigns straight.  The issue is man caused warming from CO2 emission and there’s no evidence anywhere in the public domain that proves man’s insignificant emission of a trace gas is the primary driver of global temperature regulation processes.



    OOOPS.  ” 16 U.S. Code § 471.Repealed. Pub. L. 94–579, title VII, § 704(a), Oct. 21, 1976, 90 Stat. 2792″.

    the basis for the assumption of authority to deny access to public land has been repealed, meaning the regional forester lacks the authority to deny public access. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/16/471

    Mario Miralles
    General Member

    “He’s merely a self proclaimed voodoo high priest of an illegitimate cult of authority.”


    Couldn’t have said it better…..and I’m not referring to the FS Randy Moore.

    Jonathan Dietch
    General Member

    To keep current with USFS Region 5 Alerts & Notices:


    https://twitter.com/usfs_r5 ( this link is less useful)


    Perhaps you can comment on 16 U.S.C. 551 that cites USC 471, a repealed law, as it’s basis for authority to enact closures of public land.  The link to the repealed law is in my comment above.  and BTW, all the closures listed, expire today, September 14.



    the san berdoo and Cleveland national forest closures expire today, September 14.  see you in the air.


    Jonathan Dietch
    General Member

    Always go to the source wherever possible and NOT Cornell.edu.
    16 USC 551 should be viewed here:
    It states that 471 was repealed but that other sections and federal regulations are  still effective. This leads us to 36 C.F.R. 261.50(a) and (b) and your best source for that is here:

    I’d love to help you further but I am busy dealing with the CA FTB who wants my 93-year old mother to file a CA return even though she has lived continuously in Florida since 1989 but we use my home address to file her federal returns. I have to jump through this hoop of fire every year. Not dealing with this promptly may eat into my soaring budget. See you in the air!

    Jerome Daoust
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    CSS Instructor

    It does state in the Regional Order No. 20-07 (link to document): “This Order is effective from September 7, 2020, at 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time, through September 14, 2020. ”

    But I’m not seeing the changes to justify the forests reopening now: Less fires to fight? More resources available? Weather less favorable for fire to start or spread? Our government having a change of heart after reading this forum?

    Looking forward to improvements and a reopening.

    Jonathan Dietch
    General Member

    The prohibition is extended through September 21, 2020.


    Thanks for posting that, Jonathan.

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