Very cool, Jerome!
I read that debris can reach very high speeds, the kinetic energy could be huge.
Hope this was the last of that stuff hitting your nice arm.

Yes, me and many I talked to would support a review of the options, though when I talked to Stan he firmly declined even a re-ballot.

Also, I understand that the elders believe what they had is good enough, but I think some extra shade would be great.
Here are the practical reasons:

After talking to people, including instructors, I believe the new structure should have some section or area for instructors so they can peacefully and without being in the way of others conduct their training.
We all know how weird it is to cross the path of an instrucor as he is explaining something on the board there.
An extra space would also allow for a better enviroment for clinics. The last time I personally experienced one at AJX was cramped in the corner of the small stairs. It was tight and many in the back could not recognize anything on the large monitors Dan had brought along.
So this would be one expansion.

I also believe that the shade structure should extend over to the BBQ area, we have seen several loved attemps which unfortunately were blown away.

So I would propose a structure that begins where the long stairs are, and ends to a bit behind the BBQ area.

I wouldn’t go as deep, but that is up for others.

Legality
We do need to go by the building code, I am sure we agree with Stan on that.
The structure must be engineered to withstand winds of 130mph and earthquake and all that stuff.

Structure Material
Thus far no wood based design was considered because nobody engineered such a wood structure.
We have friends who offered trees of wood, but when I asked a bulding engineer he said it is difficult to work with such wood, since there is nobody attesting that particular wood’s load forces and all that they need to calculate matters correctly.
Wood is also a constant thread of fire.
Wood is great and easy to work with, but it needs constant maintenance which can’t be relied on.

Steel is expensive initially but on long term it compesates for maintenance and repairs.

So for me, I agree that we hopefully get the board to reconsider the timeline and method it decided upon.
I think the initial offer(s) somehow forced all the following offers to keep up, without actually considering the basic needs and costs in first place.

@wesley-parmeter, thank you for your offer, we might need another tractor, will contact you directly, thank you!

7

is really cool, I wondered how specific it must be, so thanks for easing it all to one lucky character.

Jimmy

I welcome any concern in regards to Option-7, that’s how Option-7 came to be.
Early on Jai Pal kindly pointed out the huge estimated costs for the foundation and assembly, then the heat issues etc pp.
Option-7 tries to be the open and flexible design that does not follow one particular direction, but reason and need.
I do hope that we can make a final review at some point, before this all gets set in stone.
This design needs the support of as many people as possible, so again, I welcome any critique and idea. I try to take the time to reply to Option-7 as much as I can.

Tim, the wide opening is toward the East. That way any rain would fall behind the structure, watering the bushes there, saving the grass and pavement in the front from all the roof’s surface water.
When east winds, dirt or dust would be blown away “back” towards the parking lot.
And west winds would blow the dust over the high ceiling.
Also, early in the morning heat is no concern yet, but later in the noon/afternoon it really is, and that’s when we have the smaller opening exposed.
It’s true that a higher ceiling has an impact on where the shadow falls, but again, since most heat and fly traffic happens afteroon, we actually will have an elongated cast of shadow in the front from noon on.
Since most sit in the front, the dwindling shadow from the rear is not an issue either.
Hope that addresses your concerns.

Jeff, the rear (like all sides) of the structure will be open, so the wind passes through. The current container would probably make the most disturbances.
I went with Option-5 in regards of the size, didn’t want to stir up too much, but this *is* quite a large area.
But we could always downsize if Option-7 gets selected, I support that fully.
This is an open and very modular design, and can still be changed by a click of a mouse. In fact, when I asked for a higher pitch, Marcus kindly did it right then and sent me the drawings.

Also, the “openness” of this design/steel structures is a huge benefit in regards to Options 3 and 4, those would surely cause a strong and long range rotor.

Thanks, Jimmy

Dear Members,
first off we want to express our gratitude to those who paid and set up the former shade structure which worked for decades so nicely. That was one of the best investments (both $ and sweat) the club did.
THANK YOU!!
Also, many I talked to and me are grateful that this board chose to do this project engineered correctly. We are in different and much stranger times with issues like insurance etc.

Option-7 Proposal:
Many club members and some architect friends helped me put together this more detailed Option-7.
It is basically Mitch’s great option-5 (thank you, Mitch!!) with a more pitched roof and prepared for a larger load on top.

A) Safety
The sharp lip of the steel structure’s roof is a major concern both for life and property.
This proposal includes rounded edges, so fixated pilots and PG lines won’t be cut.
Cost are included in this offer.

B) Cost for heat control + future expansions
Steel gets very hot in summer, radiates the heat immensely as you might have noticed with the former structure.
The cost of isolation from below is nearly as much as shading from top.
This proposal adds the load of solar panels.
The panels can be added at some point (different project, need a lease for that project first) but the whole structure must be engineered for them now.
Solar panels will shield the heat from hitting the steel panels and the gap between them allows for the panel’s heat to escape (up). And will contribute majorly to saving the cost of power of course.
Cost $3500 more than Option-5

C) Costs for foundation
The least expensive way is to anchor each of the 8 columns with an engineered cement socket.
We need to pay for the contract first and then they give us all the details with which then the needed size of the socket can be calculated.
We could also make a floor and connect all together but that would cost more obviously.
Gene said we could add that flat slap of cement/rebars at any time later in case we want to cover the whole floor.
Here are the minimum and maximum costs (derived from 4 individuals who have experience with this).
The Steel company has much experience and unofficially said we are in the 2 cubic foot range.
Cost: ~$4000 for 8 cubic Yards (Dan), ~$3000 for 8 cubic Yards with PRCs (prefab rebar frames + Cement), ~$2000 for 8 x 2 cubic feet

D) Costs for assembly
We need Gene’s tractor or some forklift or other support to hold a column in place.
Then we can assemble all this project ourselves.
We split the workload on three teams, in this short time I only got two whole teams together.
Two team leaders (Michal and Mitch) and 14 willing volunteers have kindly committed themselves, most I know personally and some have helped with MWX and are very capable.
Meanwhile Gene will kindly take over the third team, so we just need some more hands please.
Like with the floor, we can go incremental, we mustn’t install all at once.
Cost: some cold drinks and pizzas would be great!

E) Costs for Electrification
Albert kindly agreed to add power sockets to each column and add some LED lights along the length of the structure, just the basics, but still, these need to be considered.
Cost: $620 (GFCI, wires, conduits, waterproof boxes etc) Lights must be decided when all finished.

F) Beautification / heat isolation
We could add some color or material around the columns, I talked to two artists.

G) Honoring and remembering who donated.
We depend on donations and we want to thank the kind donors correctly.
Plaques (steel or bricks) with names of donors will be added to the structure to commemorate them.
These will be starting with donations from $500 on, and the more you donate, the larger your Plaque will be. the installers will also get a Plaque.
Cost: Jiri made this nice 3D sign at the AJX dirt road, I am sure he will make us those plaques.

H) I inquired about adding skylights at some point, in case we need to implement a room (i.e. section/wall off an area like in the pictures below) and we can easily replace a panel with roof LTP (Light Transmitting Panels) without risking structural changes.

I) I got in touch with the CAL FIRE Grant Program, but given the short notice of the vote I could not submit in time (deadline for this year was 19. May)
But we should qualify for the Fire Prevention Grants Program if we won’t use flammable materials, just have to wait for the next round to submit.

So the costs are
$38,509 Steel Structure, 10’ slope to 15’, can hold some weight on roof
$2000 to $4000 Foundation
$620 Electrification (safety power outlets + wiring prepared for lights)

This comes to $41129 to $43129

If you voted already but believe this Option-7 might be the way to go, please write to Stan and I am sure they will issue a new token for you.

Please select “Write-in” and write “Option-7”

Thank you for your consideration,
a bunch of proficient and experienced and caring people + Jimmy
20 May 2021

Please ignore the walls of the walleded section, it’s just in case we need to add a room.

Please ignore the walls of the walleded section, it’s just in case we need to add a room.

Please ignore the walls of the walleded section, it’s just in case we need to add a room.

Please ignore the walls of the walleded section, it’s just in case we need to add a room.

The reason why we had to move the data to another host was that David blocked us from accessing the raw data.
We need to be able to check on the health of that station, which was made impossible since the move.

this situation was similar to the internet we had in the LZ, it would be turned off arbitrary, blocking us from sending our data out.
I had a problem to fix and found a soultion to make it work again.
Same thing here.

Who cares how/where the data actually is routed?

The important thing is that the data was accessible (to all) again, Gavin agreed to that.

David was the first to receive the link where the data is updated, here it is again:
http://flymarshall.com/wx/wx20200505.dat
(YYYYMMDD)

He simply refuses to just get the data from there.
Sad to see money wasted, I sure hope this is not from the donation funds, and not from the club’s assets.